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Post by dirtydisco on Mar 18, 2012 6:02:37 GMT
I don't know, how many of you are British or otherwise non-American? I'm 27 years old and I find stuff like this from Nicki Minaj fascinating because when I was the age of a lot of the teens listening to her 10 years ago this would have been so extremely outside of the mainstream. I thought she was just another "stupid hoe" til I saw this video, I'm fucking hypnotized by it. Before the "Wriggle..."-like "stupid hoe" fit at the end there's even a little Wriggle-like siren noise. Jesus at least my country's finally coming along a little, 10 years ago something like this would have been called "Electroclash" or whateverthefuck and played nowhere in my city. Shit that was shocking a decade ago, pop-like stuff yet outside the pop mainstream like Fischerspooner or Peaches or Miss Kittin & The Hacker is tame compared to this. I thought I was so cool listening to 'weird electro shit' in college now stuff like that is on the radio here and I feel so old being shocked by the popularity of Nicki. She even name-checks Roman Polanski in "Stupid Hoes", might not be shocking to many of you but unless you live in America you have no idea what a cultural desert most of the country is and why someone like her becoming so popular is so awesome to me. I was first optimistic about American pop-radio getting better when back in 2006 this song was briefly popular www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixw_bLVUL34&feature=plcp&context=C4a7c6cbVDvjVQa1PpcFO_0lTF_Rtr-k4rj3fsqxjHzd20G5D4a4M%3DThis song really shocked me, not the lyrics, but the context, hearing these (well, edited) lyrics on pop radio. Not many moments like that anymore having been jaded by listening to so much music but "Stupid Hoes" is one, thanks.
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Post by Joe Chip on Mar 18, 2012 13:10:17 GMT
I'm fucking hypnotized by it. Yeah, same here. It's reduced me to the mental level of a giggly 12 year old. Talk about the power of music. UK mainstream pop is generally also dismal and if an underground style like grime makes it through it's in a very watered down form. Minaj has certainly taken stuff from Peaches and electroclash, she even sports a strap-on in 'Did It On 'Em'. The Roman Zolanski thing is her psychotic gay male alter-ego which she channels for all her best songs. For entertainment purposes only: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffdQlTUFxTU
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Post by Danhod on Mar 18, 2012 16:46:27 GMT
I'm fucking hypnotized by it. Yeah, same here. It's reduced me to the mental level of a giggly 12 year old. Talk about the power of music. UK mainstream pop is generally also dismal UK mainstream, a seemingly endless loop of the same songs, Adele - Rolling In The Deep just makes me want to blow my brains out haha. www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles
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Post by dirtydisco on Mar 18, 2012 20:34:48 GMT
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Post by Joe Chip on Mar 18, 2012 22:28:48 GMT
There is a long tradition of lunatics 'exposing' Satanic/mind control/CIA/Illuminati/whatthefuck content in music dating back to the interesting 60s acid casualty John Todd.
In more recent years I'm fairly sure some artists such as Gaga are actually promoting themselves via PR shenanigans with this tactic - the videos really are full of the symbolism they are accused of and I think some of the conspiraloon commenters are also part of the PR team. See also the 'leaked' Miley Cyrus salvia vid trying to set her up for an adult career. Who the fuck knows what really goes on in the world of big-time entertainment but my instincts are to follow the money.
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Post by dirtydisco on Mar 19, 2012 2:19:26 GMT
There is a long tradition of lunatics 'exposing' Satanic/mind control/CIA/Illuminati/whatthefuck content in music dating back to the interesting 60s acid casualty John Todd. well of course, just didn't realize nicki minaj was suspected. fairly sure some artists such as Gaga are actually promoting themselves via PR shenanigans with this tactic as i was watching the video again i was thinking how one could do that, the "conspiraloons" probably think the video is hypnotizing as i do, only for real, or that it contains subliminal messages or something.
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Post by Danhod on Mar 19, 2012 14:48:13 GMT
I don't think they wouldn't go through the effort of putting in subliminal messages, I wonder how many artists would continue to make music if there was no profit involved.
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Post by Joe Chip on Mar 19, 2012 19:41:10 GMT
I think it was the film 'Fight Club' which first openly used subliminals as a kind of marketing ploy (mostly cock pictures, which makes sense as in a way it's just a homoerotic fantasy for straight guys). Chris And Cosey's deceptively bland sounding 1980s albums also used them.
The footage from the ridiculous Minaj illuminati video which shows her (or an impersonator) after a beer or two rambling incoherently relates to the Remy Ma lesbian rumours. Again, more contrived PR bullshit, her hugely entertaining and silly weekend lesbian anthem "Girls Fall Like Dominoes" shows she's not averse to using that selling point.
I think most artists would continue to make music if no profit was involved. I can't stand U2 at all, terribly bland, yet all the indications are that they really believe in what they do and aren't just in it for money: Bono weeping about Ian Curtis in '81 saying 'I'm gonna do what he should have done...' Artists who do things for money without any creative drive or hunger tend to be the quickly forgotten X Factor style one-hit wonders. Of course the financial realities for people making underground music are very different indeed from what we're talking about.
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Post by Danhod on Mar 19, 2012 20:12:05 GMT
Artists who do things for money without any creative drive or hunger tend to be the quickly forgotten X Factor style one-hit wonders. Most of them seem to be almost forced into singing someone else's lyrics with little if any involvement in the actual music itself. Except Matt Cardle who wrote (most of) his own lyrics and contributed a lot to the music - good on him.
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