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Post by meinhof on Oct 8, 2007 15:02:25 GMT
You lucky star! I've only heard the the WSOTG cd (hospital rec I think) and the extra traks on the mask cd - and can't pay 600 euro!!!!! Will I ever get to listen to the whole piece... ?
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Post by knuckles on Oct 9, 2007 17:59:37 GMT
I got one a few years back for, well, a little more than cbl's and was not disappointed in the least! 600 Euro is a shitload tho'!
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Post by magnus on Oct 9, 2007 19:39:54 GMT
and there's one particularly good version that can be easily obtained. Save your money. heyheyhey, how is that??? I´ve also only heard bits and pieces from the set, would love to get the whole thing, such a monumental release! to bad the new box isn´t complete, but rather has lots of newer stuff that can´t possibly be hard to track down... such a dissapointment. the 10xLP set looks sweet, but yeah no 600 euros to spend on noise here either...
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Post by meinhof on Nov 10, 2007 18:49:25 GMT
On the SJ homepage you can read that they have found lots of old stuff, and that the compilation box (ground fault) will be more than 9 discs.
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Post by wowiezowie on Nov 11, 2008 19:10:19 GMT
Does anyone have a photo of the original cassette release or the bootleg vinyl? The Campaign boxed set due for release on Cold Spring is meant to include the whole of WSOTG
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Post by cblanger on Nov 11, 2008 22:07:57 GMT
Does anyone have a photo of the original cassette release or the bootleg vinyl? The Campaign boxed set due for release on Cold Spring is meant to include the whole of WSOTG I have updated Discogs with some pictures I have for these releases.
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Post by magnus on Nov 12, 2008 14:40:57 GMT
Really a massive and supernice box-set. But how is the soundquality on it? I heard from someone that it was pretty bad comapred with the tapes... I have since some time found cdr-copies of the whole set (but must admit i have not yet found the 10 hours needed to listen to it all...). It would be great if the new cd-boxset actually have it in full on a cd per tape + more Come org. era stuff (apparently there´s loads of unreleased recordings?) and not any of the newer stuff, i can´t listen to that stuff... but i suppose it´s just a dream to wont happen (would like it even more if it was done on vinyl or best of all.... cassette!!).
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Post by sypha666 on May 23, 2009 21:40:19 GMT
Has the Campaign box set been released yet? I go to the SJ site every now and then but they've been releasing so many albums recently I don't know what's what anymore. I recall they did two in April of 2008 (both of which I skipped... I think one was called "Pigdaddy") and today I was reading about the 1,000 different solo albums Kevin Tomkins is releasing or whatever. Has anyone given these a listen, are they worth getting, or what? I wish they'd stop fooling around with all that autoharp nonsense and just release the damn SJ campaign box or whatever it is they're calling it!
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Post by Joe Chip on May 24, 2009 3:17:25 GMT
I heard Pigdaddy which was a ridiculous album, kinda like a novelty record. The sense of humour in KT's output blurs into the sense of not having a fucking clue what he is doing. I do find recent SJ material unlistenable in the true sense of the word, which isn't necessarily a criticism: rather a thousand horrid SJ albums than one U2 album, and the guy did WSOTG and inspired Whitehouse to fantastic 83-85 heights - which means he can do whatever he feels like forever and live a 'justified life' as Peckinpah put it
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Post by drillbitch on May 24, 2009 7:44:44 GMT
I heard Pigdaddy which was a ridiculous album, kinda like a novelty record. The sense of humour in KT's output blurs into the sense of not having a fucking clue what he is doing. I do find recent SJ material unlistenable in the true sense of the word, which isn't necessarily a criticism: rather a thousand horrid SJ albums than one U2 album, and the guy did WSOTG and inspired Whitehouse to fantastic 83-85 heights - which means he can do whatever he feels like forever and live a 'justified life' as Peckinpah put it Agreed Joe...WSOTG was right on the money but I can't really be bothered with the more recent stuff. Pigdaddy is hilarious for all the wrong reasons and I was seriously unwhelmed when I saw them supporting Merzbow last time
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Post by PappaWas1975 on May 24, 2009 20:10:05 GMT
I heard Pigdaddy which was a ridiculous album, kinda like a novelty record. The sense of humour in KT's output blurs into the sense of not having a fucking clue what he is doing. I do find recent SJ material unlistenable in the true sense of the word, which isn't necessarily a criticism: rather a thousand horrid SJ albums than one U2 album, and the guy did WSOTG and inspired Whitehouse to fantastic 83-85 heights - which means he can do whatever he feels like forever and live a 'justified life' as Peckinpah put it Agreed Joe...WSOTG was right on the money but I can't really be bothered with the more recent stuff. Pigdaddy is hilarious for all the wrong reasons and I was seriously unwhelmed when I saw them supporting Merzbow last time Agreed, totally underwhelmed!
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Post by pissfun on Jun 2, 2009 13:44:05 GMT
I heard Pigdaddy which was a ridiculous album, kinda like a novelty record. The sense of humour in KT's output blurs into the sense of not having a fucking clue what he is doing. well-put. as far as I'm concerned, the recent output is unintentional comedy. while Tomkins has every intention of being cute, he's little more than a tired old man who's too careless to notice he's setting his funeral to music. his affected swagger is too embarrassing not to look at, and certainly too self-parodic not to laugh at. this clip could have been included in the faces of death series: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsDQ9jSpmII
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Post by kosa on Jun 10, 2009 1:54:40 GMT
As much as I wanted to enjoy the new SJ stuff I just can't take it seriously—although the only time I found this music "serious" was when I was a teen & didn't know any better.
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Post by dirtydisco on Jun 30, 2009 23:07:37 GMT
What on earth do you all do for a living that you can afford vinyl and tapes for hundreds of pounds/dollars a piece? I believe someone on discogs.com is selling the Psychopathia LP for 499 euro which is what, $700 at least? (Not sure of the conversion.) I've had to settle for most Whitehouse on CD, save for the Cruise and the Erector reissues on vinyl, and all the other noise music I own I've had to scour endlessly for, for pieces I could actually afford. Pardon the pun, but the real "racket" is the ridiculous amounts people pay for this music, which I imagine is what keeps the prices up. I love music, but I need to eat. If I had all the money in the world, I own every WH, and Come record, and scores of other LPs that cost more than a make in a month, but I don't. I plan on buying 'Quality Time', and 'Bird Seed' on vinyl when I can, and the next reissues too, but at about $25-$30 a piece for a WH re-issue at my local record shop, I'll have to think about it.
I shudder to think of the perverted prices the mythical "Examples of Cannabalism" or "Rectifier 7"" or "Ultra" videos may fetch. It's pornographic to spend that much money on one thing, and I doubt WH intended this sort of thing either. Didn't most of their LPs originally sell for $8 or so back the 80's when they came out? I once saw a scan of a Come Org. mail order sheet and the stuff was cheap, "I'm Jack" (which I'd like) was probably no more than $10, not the $200 I've seen it online for recently.
I was thinking of treating myself to "Do As You're Told" by Final Solution as I've found it many places online usually for only $15 to $25, but even so, it makes me want to punch someone.
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Post by margaras on Jul 1, 2009 2:05:07 GMT
i'm not especially wealthy or privaliged, nor am i on the breadline - an average situation and one i'm sure i share with most / all on here (in terms of the country i'm in - by the standards of haiti i'm doing ok... but i digress, this isn't about cash, it's about music). i can afford a record player, cd player and a half decent stereo amp. and i'll tell you what, i'm happy out with the vinyl reissue series of whitehouse, the new lp of consumer electronics, and the fact that the early ramleh and ce material is being remastered for proper cd release. i can wait. anticipation in any form can be enjoyable.
i don't buy rare records being sold at insane prices by money grubbing "collectors" (you know the type: more interested in the fucking catalogue numbers than the music) on ebay, i never have and i most likely never will. i want to buy directly from the artist. i know personally how difficult it is to even cover costs for proper releases these days (i mean by people doing interesting stuff: not major label whores like madonna or creaking robots like the rolling stones), so i make sure to support the musicians i like by buying directly from them. and this rant of mine, for which i do apologise but am not sorry for, is indeed inspired by people coming on here and asking for free mp3s of records just released by independant (thats a vital word) musicians who personally frequent this forum. he had his hissy fit but it still doesn't take away from basic rudeness. the truth of the matter is: take a look at those records you really love, have really moved you. in the cases of all independant and uncompromising musicians, if you do not support them by buying a record or seeing them live, there is a good likelihood they will not be able to continue doing what they do and what you enjoy. i'm not talking about whitehouse in particular, i don't know their personal financial situation (neither do i want to know, this is about enjoying music, once again) but it does apply.
i have seen william bennett and gary mundy getting blasted by people online because of their perceived audacity of wanting mp3s removed from blogspots. call me a sychophantic cocksucker all you want (it's grand, cos if you do i know you are talking bollocks and it means fuck all to me), but it all comes down to this self-rightious high-horse bullshit that people who want everything for fucking free - and right now - like to use as a podium (and they never fucking bother to justify or challenge this reasonably since backtracking too quickly leads to one falling from one's pedistal, usually made moist and salty with the tears of their tantrums). i fully support bennett and mundy demanding the removal of pubic free mp3 downloads of their material. and with good reason.
here's a choice :
a) a load of files floating about on your hard-drive, at some mediocre / god-awful mp3 bit rate which automatically removes all the extreme high and low frequencies (which you may have noticed are integral to physicality of these types of music), recorded in through a crappy standard desktop soundcard (the ones only really made to make fucking pinging notification sounds when you turn on your pc) from a source which could very likely either be a badly-pressed played-to-death bootleg LP, or a tape copy of a tape copy of a tape copy...
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b) you could maybe wait a little while for it to come out in an official vinyl or cd format, attentively remastered from the original recordings with cover artwork you will want to frame...
if things are totally rare and there is no sign of it ever being reissued, i dont have much issue... but dont confuse an mp3 encoding for the original work.
i have no problem with people copying stuff and giving it to friends, i do it all the time. but there is an inherent aspect of respect involved which is crucially lacking with these blogspots where really rubbish sounding shadows of albums already available are seen as replacements for purchase, and in turn, support of the artist.
it's funny, i couldnt give a fuck about sutcliffe jugend, but if you have a choice between a crappy free format or a proper sounding cd reissue that you might have to wait a few months to be able to buy, which do you want? do you really care about the music? as i say, i have no interest in sutcliffe jugend, but if i wanted to hear "we spit on their graves" in a quality reflective of the original work, i know where i would go, and it's not to a fucking blogspot.
i just bought "quality time" (one of the few whitehouse albums i missed out on buying on original cd) on vinyl in a local independant record store the other day. and it's a great feeling to drop the needle with anticipation and enjoy an album as an experience, not to mention the cover which i have now framed and hung on my wall. i'm hugely looking forward to filling in the gaps in my collection with this vinyl reissue series. music is to be appreciated, and twelve gigabytes of mp3s encoded at 128 khz floating round on a hard-drive does not constitute a real music collection.
oh, and: don't get me wrong, i'm not having a go at the above poster. i think people selling shit on ebay for extrobitant prices is no great thing. notice how bennett demands the removal of bootlegs from ebay? it ties in with the removal of mp3s with regards to the issue of the artist wanting their work in the quality its designed for, why have poor quality pressings oiling the pockets of people who are propigating an absymally unsatisfactory representation of a work?
the whitehouse vinyl reissues are not overpriced. considering the cost involved these days in manufacturing albums in lp format to highest possible quality and in shipping, the whitehouse reissues and ce's "crowd pleaser" are very reasonably priced. and if you want to hear more new music and more high quality reissues from their archives, even buying one record will make a difference. but fuck it, i'm not here justify or explain anyone else's work.
please forgive my digressions and the force of opinion, i have just polished off a bottle of wine ;-)
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