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Post by Joe Chip on Sept 26, 2007 21:55:06 GMT
This isn't specifically about the great song but about the follow-up work I did - so not much to do with Whitehouse per se but just a strange story which I hope people here may find of interest... I think I saw the debut of RB at the ill-fated ATP show a few years back. As soon as the live action dossier gave a title I googled the phrase and found it on a very long thread called 'Blair's paedophiles' on a conspiracy nut forum called GodLikeProductions.com - the thread had all sorts of unprovable one-way-or-the-other allegations regarding cabinet ministers being caught in Operation Ore and subsequent D-Notices etc. the phrase 'ruthless babysitting' was used in context with what claimed to be an ITN report (couldn't find an original on their site though ) about seriously sick fucks using "lads talk" chatlines in the UK to swap their kids for abuse - someone was offering their deaf six-year-old for ruthless babysitting - strangely reminiscent of scenario in opening pages of 'Playground Sex'. More recently I checked out GLP again and noticed the thread had been removed and the original poster ('anders' who has a site offering a vanity publication at dancingonthebrink.com) was no longer around. There were dark mutterings about MI6 having deleted the thread, also one post saying anders was a paedo and just getting off on writing about this stuff and hearing people's stories. There seems to be a huge number of real nutcases at the forum, the sort of people who see a conspiracy in a blank piece of paper. Then I found an interesting story about a company called C2 Media having bought GLP a few years ago. C2 have made their money with spyware/adware, in particular lop.com. Google 'Jason Lucas' for more information. Apparently this company have been buying up conspiracy-oriented websites, then loading IP tracking spyware into users' avatars. By this point it's like a Russian Doll - we're into conspiracy theory about conspiracy theory - this had a really strange effect on my perception Then I found a list of words banned at GLP - as well as mention of the site owners and rival conspiracy forums, Tavistock and Stanford were banned (Google tests: "Merry Christmas Institute", "nice_guys" + "jack_frost"). I hadn't read up about the Tavistock Institute for years athough 'Dr' John Coleman & Lyndon LaRouche can be entertaining to say the least about this field of paranoia. A couple of clicks later I came across the odd expression "long-range penetration strain" - what a delightful turn of phrase and one which descibes a syndrome so many of us have. At this point I should say that Edward Bernays came to mind. Ah well I guess I spend too long on the internet but hope at least someone else here found this stuff of interest - warning: do not take any of this stuff too seriously!
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Post by davidh on Sept 27, 2007 3:51:44 GMT
Not much to add, but that this was interesting reading, Jesse. If there's ever a grant for a PhD in Whitehouse studies (and I can recommend at least one Doctor to be your supervisor ), then you're sure to be up there in the running!
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Post by lansig on Sept 27, 2007 9:22:37 GMT
Thanks, a good read.
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Post by margaras on Sept 27, 2007 15:28:13 GMT
jessefriedman, you're a legend! this stuff is superb, many thanks to you.
i'm definately nicking "long-range penetration strain" for a song title.
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Post by knuckles on Sept 27, 2007 16:55:21 GMT
Interesting stuff mate. I'd read a couple of things on the net about the MPs/OpOre deal and how some people thought the US were blackmailing the UK govt. into going to war with Iraq or letting the cat (kittens in this case?) out of the bag. Also, I'd read that this was linked to (don't know how) the guy in Scotland who shot up that school a few years back and that some of the info about that case has been put under lock and key for 100 years.
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Post by patrickhernandez on Sept 27, 2007 18:12:14 GMT
I think I saw the debut of RB at the ill-fated ATP show a few years back. As soon as the live action dossier gave a title I googled the phrase and found it on a very long thread called 'Blair's paedophiles' on a conspiracy nut forum called GodLikeProductions.com - the thread had all sorts of unprovable one-way-or-the-other allegations regarding cabinet ministers being caught in Operation Ore and subsequent D-Notices etc. the phrase 'ruthless babysitting' was used in context with what claimed to be an ITN report (couldn't find an original on their site though ) about seriously sick fucks using "lads talk" chatlines in the UK to swap their kids for abuse - someone was offering their deaf six-year-old for ruthless babysitting - strangely reminiscent of scenario in opening pages of 'Playground Sex'. Food for thought indeed. For your interest, I used to work for a certain news agency over the Operation Ore period. My job was basically as soon as a news story was received by feed I had to summarise it and ensure a summary was disseminated to my portfolio of news editors world-wide. as you can imagine this was something which had to be done 'post-haste', and during that period notices were received saying 'further high-profile arrests in Operation Ore' but strangely no further information followed, despite obvious calls to source to check if the story had been sent. Who knows? What i do know is that 'D-Notices' are something of a myth and, while oxygen to tin-foil hatted conspiraloons, basically if a story gets to a news agency it's not exactly D-noticed, and i'd hardly expect any of the dorks on such a site to be privy to anything genuinely contentious. All sounds a bit Larry O'Hara to me. (Possible - but similar - exception being the Kincora Boys Home Scandal and though back then N. Ireland was largely outwith UK press juristiction, and about as open to scrutiny as the Stasi.) However, here was a fascinating 'scandal' that emerged in Edinburgh in the late 80s, relating to a high-up paedo ring , dubbed the 'Golden Circle', which came to light after it was exposed that a convicted rent-boy pimp 'miraculously' gained access to the prosecution files vault in Fettesgate Police Station. Ostensibly removing documents related to impending prosecutions of certain prominent local members of the judiciary etc, but I really can't remember what came of all that and haven't been able to unearth anything on Google, despite it being well-covered in the Scottish press at the time.
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Post by Joe Chip on Sept 27, 2007 23:07:35 GMT
For anyone interested in the original "Blair's Paedophiles" thread - a bizarre selection is at http://comments-.blogspot.com/2005/12/comments-back-to-pebpr.html Loving the truly cloak-and-dagger "view source" Jill Dando guy Lots of web material on this subject (amazing Belgium piece at www.pehi.eu ) none of which is especially conclusive. See also Bryn Alyn, Derek Laud, Greville Janner and Frank Beck etc etc. Chris Johns, the surviving brother of three Bryn Alyn witnesses has posted garbled anonymous comments at abovetopsecret recently. Alan Clark's diaries are quite useful too if one can read between the lines. Hadn't heard of that 'Golden Circle' patrickhernandez, these stories seem to pop up everywhere and it's so hard to judge how much is real and how much is a kind of weird urban myth or mass hysteria - sexual abuse is perhaps best considered in terms of power relations and childrens' homes certainly have a horrific power imbalance. Did anyone else follow up on the link from WB's blog about the "Children's Village" in Scotland? That was a really saddening tale. Fair point re: Larry O'Hara & tin hats (never thought I'd see that name on this forum!) but now and again D-Notices do help stories evade popular consciousness - case in point being Kathryn Blair's suicide attempt a few years ago which I heard via a BBC contact before it hit the fringes of the web...
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Post by spartacusmills on Sept 28, 2007 19:34:00 GMT
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Post by Joe Chip on Sept 28, 2007 22:01:11 GMT
O'Hara's stuff is like a really senile, mentally deteriorated version of Lobster mag. Here's a link on that Fettesgate stuff - www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/fettesgate.html from the site of yet another barmpot. This area of parapolitics-smear campaigns-crime is maybe best left to be covered by novelists like James Ellroy and David Peace. On Tavistock Institute's revamped website there's a great timeline in which they juxtapose the rise of The Beatles with their publication of the Milgram experiments. Also this fine quote - "We bring assumptions to the surface and work with the unpredictable, including what is hidden, and sometimes, unconscious". Oo-ee-oo.
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Post by skidblue on Sept 29, 2007 2:26:28 GMT
thanks for the fettesgate link, interesting stuff!
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Post by patrickhernandez on Sept 30, 2007 18:17:03 GMT
All aboard the crazy Train! my favourite line from that particular exercise in flight of fancy being: "The IRA, the Animal Liberation Front, unspecified drug dealers and even MI5 were mentioned." ...as no doubt was 2nd Kennedy assassin on the grassy knowle, the white BMW in the Paris viaduct. and Shergar
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Post by patrickhernandez on Sept 30, 2007 18:28:49 GMT
Also, I'd read that this was linked to (don't know how) the guy in Scotland who shot up that school a few years back and that some of the info about that case has been put under lock and key for 100 years. Only it hasn't been. Yet more conspiraloon propagated mythery. Under the 100-year Closure Act, the findings of the enquiry were originally to be held secret for 100 years, due to the deaths including those of children. However, the Freedom of Information Act superseded the previous act and made the enquiry available to the public.The clue is in the word Public Enquiry
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Post by patrickhernandez on Sept 30, 2007 18:48:35 GMT
but now and again D-Notices do help stories evade popular consciousness - case in point being Kathryn Blair's suicide attempt a few years ago which I heard via a BBC contact before it hit the fringes of the web... yes, the lunatic fringes. Wasn't the story that she'd done it cos daddy Tony had been showing her inter-familiar lovin' after lights out? Oh dear... And, of course, if the story had been substantiated and covered (as it assuredly would have been) i'm sure myriad conspiracy theories would have then appeared suggesting the whole thing was concocted to railroad draconian 'privacy laws' to avert any further embarassments a la Blair's son being found pissed out of his head in Leicester Square after his exams.
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Post by Joe Chip on Sept 30, 2007 21:01:04 GMT
The Kathryn Blair story was passed to Tony 'I believe everything at bilderberg.org' Gosling by a Hull Labour MP - remarks by Melvyn Bragg in the Australian press seemed to corroborate it (or maybe just that he had heard the story and believed it). The original tale before it really took off into kiddy-fiddling reptilian fantasy world (at GLP BTW) was that she had been bullied badly at school about her dad being a war criminal. Who passed the Hull MP that story and why? www.newstatesman.com/200709270026 is an interesting recent article which isn't from the lunatic fringe - some of those comments though, dear oh dear.
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Post by cblanger on Feb 17, 2009 20:38:36 GMT
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BUT FIRST TELL ME AGAIN IN BAD FUCKING ENGLISH ABOUT YOUR THREE MONTHS AS A PROSTITUTE THE ART PROJECT GONE BAD THE TRIP HOME AT CHRISTMAS TO GET THE MONEY FOR AN ABORTION 400 EUROS IN YOUR HAND THAT YOU SWORE YOU COULDN?T FIND ANOTHER WAY I?D HAVE PAID GLADLY
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AND YOU GOT THE CLAP ON YOUR FOURTEENTH BIRTHDAY FROM THAT SHY FRIEND OF YOUR FATHER WHO FINGER-FUCKED YOU IN THE SAME CAR HE LATER SUCKED DOWN THE GAS IN THOSE EXQUISITE BOOKS YOU PESTERED HIM FOR OCTAVO EDITIONS OF THE POETS THAT SIT STILL UNREAD ON THE SHELF BY YOUR BED AS YOU DREAM OF WHO THE FUCK KNOWS WHAT
DIRTY JESSIE?S ALL GROWN UP NOW ? TODAY IS HER COCAINE DAY EVEN THROUGH THE HAZE OF COCKS AND HIP-HOP RAPIST PAWS SHE CAN SEE WE?RE ALL STILL WALLOWING IN THE MUD HOWEVER ARTFULLY FRAMED ON WHITE GALLERY WALLS I CAN LOOK YOU IN THE EYES AND TELL YOU WHAT I SPEND MY TIME DOING WHEN IT GETS DARK AND MESSY THE BAND BROKE UP I LOST A LOT OF FUCKING WEIGHT
MY FAVOURITE BOOK: THE OLD CURIOSITY SHOP BY CHARLES FUCKING DICKENS NOT THE CELEBRATED RAPE-SNUFF OF LITTLE NELL I SO MUCH MORE ADORE HER ALIVE, THOUGH PREFERABLY SLEEPING UNWATCHED AND UNCARED FOR IN THE MIDST OF DECAY THE CHILD BOTANICAL THE ANGEL IMPERIAL NOT LAID OUT LIKE JESSIE OR AN EMPTY DIRTY DRESS YOU CAN CALL ME A CUNT IF YOU LIKE BUT I?LL STILL PUT THE BATTERIES IN THE BABY LIKE A SIMPERING NAMBLA FREAK
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