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Post by h3o on Nov 16, 2007 23:30:30 GMT
I'd be interested to know William's (or anyone else's) opinions about the treatment of Whitehouse in the tome "England's Hidden Reverse", published by SAF, written by one David Keenan. I am aware that history is contiinually re-written, or indeed, not written down at all properly by people not competent to do so. however, I have personal knowledge of many of the events in the book, as well as many of the people, and much of it simply did not happen in the way it is described.
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2007 1:44:11 GMT
I'd be interested to know William's (or anyone else's) opinions about the treatment of Whitehouse in the tome "England's Hidden Reverse", published by SAF, written by one David Keenan. I am aware that history is contiinually re-written, or indeed, not written down at all properly by people not competent to do so. however, I have personal knowledge of many of the events in the book, as well as many of the people, and much of it simply did not happen in the way it is described. Hello Andrew (I think?); so David Keenan didn't interview you for the book then? I may be thinking more of the recent Simon Reynolds book which includes the stock, lazy, AP wire story-style discussion of Whitehouse, but I think E.H.R. does a little of the same thing: portrays Whitehouse not as a unique element within a 'scene', and always tries to define them by means of comparison to "x" artist who are assumed to be much more talented than the creepy and monotonous fringe noise band. It's like they're too much of a distraction from the 'main' narrative, and thus the lack of research needed to truly flesh out their story. I have yet to see any of the recent spate of alt-music books treat Whitehouse as anything better than an intellectual curiosity- and we all know what the reviews read like when they are treated worse than that. I hope to write an accurate book in the near future on intense electronic sound art in general- so by all means, please set the record straight point by point!
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Post by h3o on Nov 17, 2007 11:10:07 GMT
no, I wasn't interviewed or contacted in any way - not that I was ever a very central figure in the stories of any of the three entities the book is the subject of. I am mentioned in a quote from Steven Stapleton, when he speaks of the first Whitehouse Live Action - a quote which, incidentally, is a complete about-face from other mentions he has made over the years about the record of that event released on DOM.
at any rate, as was said, "...but obviously "revisionism" is not confined to the "6 million lies" brigade."
I'd be happy to talk to you, if you ever get your book underway.
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Post by thomas on Nov 18, 2007 0:45:21 GMT
no, I wasn't interviewed or contacted in any way - not that I was ever a very central figure in the stories of any of the three entities the book is the subject of. I am mentioned in a quote from Steven Stapleton, when he speaks of the first Whitehouse Live Action - a quote which, incidentally, is a complete about-face from other mentions he has made over the years about the record of that event released on DOM. at any rate, as was said, "...but obviously "revisionism" is not confined to the "6 million lies" brigade." I'd be happy to talk to you, if you ever get your book underway. I'll message you offline about the book (which is well underway), I already interrogated William for this, among others... ...and speaking of, I'll relinquish the floor if he wants to weigh in on any of this.
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Post by unmanateeandalu on Nov 20, 2007 0:20:48 GMT
This revisionism comes from all sides, it always has, there are few individuals who are capable of being truly objective. Some individuals are totally incapable, and for some reason they tend to feel the need to write "blogs" full of their opinions. Keenans book was so full of holes you could strain your alphabetty spaghetti through it, but it was a start. I think what he wrote was basically whatever the few individuals he consulted told him, therefore it was very subjective indeed....although he obviously made some choices when doing it, probably to make his life easier. ie: no doug p interview.......
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Post by knuckles on Nov 20, 2007 4:20:09 GMT
...you could strain your alphabetty spaghetti through it... Awesome!!
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Post by unmanateeandalu on Nov 25, 2007 3:13:18 GMT
ps: that was not a reference to William's blog.
pps : there's a French guy doing a series of books on this scene, he's asked me for some photos already, and seems to be a stand-up kind o' guy, unlike some other dodgy Russian types.
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Post by cblanger on Nov 26, 2007 17:06:54 GMT
pps : there's a French guy doing a series of books on this scene, he's asked me for some photos already, and seems to be a stand-up kind o' guy, unlike some other dodgy Russian types. Is it the same guy who has just published a book (in french) about TG/COIL/PSYCHIC TV/CHRIS AND COSEY which is called INDUSTRIAL MUSIC FOR INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE ? www.camionblanc.com/?p=detail_livre&ID=124
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Post by unmanateeandalu on Nov 26, 2007 20:47:44 GMT
Yes indeed, www.myspace.com/industrialpeople Here's part of what he's doing: VI. LE POWER ELECTRONICS : AU-DELÀ DE LA VIOLENCE (120 pages environ) 1) Whitehouse & side projects (Sutcliffe Jügend, Consumer Electronics, Libertarian Recordings, Male Rape Group / Come Org + commentaires sur Peter Sotos (+ mention Club Moral, Vagina Dentata Organ, Big Black) (rédigé – 63 pages) 2) Ramleh / Broken Flag (Mauthausen Orchestra, The Sodality….) + approche rythmique du power (Esplendor Geometrico + Blackhouse) 3) Cultural Terrorism : The Grey Wolves, Con-Dom, Genocide Organ
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Post by deadcityradio on Jun 10, 2008 0:41:51 GMT
I have yet to see any of the recent spate of alt-music books treat Whitehouse as anything better than an intellectual curiosity- and we all know what the reviews read like when they are treated worse than that. Have they actually been mentioned in many books then?
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Post by deadcityradio on Jun 10, 2008 0:42:44 GMT
the book (which is well underway), I already interrogated William for this, among others... ... What is your book about?
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