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Post by patrickhernandez on Jul 9, 2009 23:58:23 GMT
is what, a good film? if you say so.... to me it´s very much standarised filmmaking, following a watered down formula, made to collect money for children in need (which of course is a good thing, but doesn´t make the film a good viewing). it was quite a disapointment after Moodysons two earlier films, specially Fucking Åmål that was a well needed breath of fresh air in swedish film, unfortunally it stopped at that and now swedish film is at an even lower point then at that time.... My apologies, I do not claim any great knowledge of contemporary Swedish cinema and am sure you are right about it's current state. I was simply meaning that, objectively, I don't really see how the sentimentality of 'Lilja 4 Ever' can really be a damning flaw. Yea, it was schmaltzy, the ending corny and the narrative fatality predictable, but if it's purpose was to tug at the heartstrings I think he accomplished that quite successfully. And, subjectively, that a film can achieve this - as I felt 'Lilja 4 ever' did - is, for me, one of the abiding attractions of the cinematic experience.
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Post by magnus on Jul 10, 2009 0:31:04 GMT
Hey, i agree with you completly! I can be moved to tears, well almost, by old melodramas and such, but this one didn´t work on me, instead of my heartstrings it got on my nerves. It felt to much like a construction. Sometimes it´s just some tiny detail in a film that makes that tip of the balance board, can´t remember how it was with Lilja, was some years since i watched it. and the stuff on swedish cinema really doesn´t have much to do with it, just that i had my expectations set pretty high when i sat down to watch it.
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Post by Imaginary Forces on Sept 14, 2009 9:48:41 GMT
is what, a good film? if you say so.... to me it´s very much standarised filmmaking, following a watered down formula, made to collect money for children in need (which of course is a good thing, but doesn´t make the film a good viewing). it was quite a disapointment after Moodysons two earlier films, specially Fucking Åmål that was a well needed breath of fresh air in swedish film, unfortunally it stopped at that and now swedish film is at an even lower point then at that time.... I agree, but it still wasnt as bad as Moodysons "Container", and the mainstream crap that is coming out of Sweden at the moment. But then Swedish TV seems to be just American crap, so the films seem to follow that. Back to the Russian theme, I am actually collaborating with a couple of Russian guys at the moment. It is mentally fast and hard electronic beats and noise.
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Post by Joe Chip on May 23, 2011 13:58:02 GMT
Maybe this is a thread I could update with news of some of the EXTREME MUSIC FROM RUSSIA guys for anyone interested- just returned from a trip with my band to Lithuania. We played alongside PICHISMO (Gleb Maltsev) who did kind of insane electric violin, voice ullulating and live drums show. Gleb was good enough to show us the very cheapest bar in Kaunas - a pleasant lager for approximately 30 pence!
Also playing was Phil Wolokitin ex TEA MAN WITH TEA GUM, now solo as MASSIVE EJACULATION - indescribable surreal trash-noise with metal and porn influence, anglophile obsession and performance art. His now regular and professional-looking publication 'PADDINGTON (please don't give a shit about this bear') is an art magazine of extremely high weirdness and quality.
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Post by Joe Chip on Dec 1, 2012 15:13:45 GMT
Listened to all four Extreme Music volumes over the last few days and the Russian one really does win the prize. Incredible collection of very daring and unusual sounds, great mastering on the album, cheeky Soviet style artwork, just about everything about this album is a great pleasure.
And the guys I know from it as mentioned above are seriously some of the most interesting and intriguing human beings I've ever met, which leaves me wishing I will at some stage meet other people involved in the album.
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