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Post by deadcityradio on Jun 16, 2008 22:29:57 GMT
overdriven kickdrums and breakbeats, gabba/jungle/breakcore style?
Am i the only person that would like to see that happen?
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Post by KKeLL on Jun 17, 2008 23:05:29 GMT
Yes. You are the only person that would like to see that happen.
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Post by theotherjohn on Jun 18, 2008 0:29:39 GMT
overdriven kickdrums and breakbeats, gabba/jungle/breakcore style? Maybe not replace... but I think I'd like to hear them try it for one track at least. I was at a club not long ago and they were playing some Pendulum - a shit excuse for music I know, but the bass drum was particularly deep, loud and physical. I kept wishing if only the track was just made up of that bass drum by itself multilayered into a dense arrhythmic drone and bass...
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Post by bubbles on Jun 18, 2008 9:21:50 GMT
It would sound like Atari Teenage Riot. Or worse.
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Post by drillbitch on Jun 18, 2008 14:33:41 GMT
I love speedcore gabba almost as much as WH but I don't think I'd want to mix them
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Post by drillbitch on Jun 18, 2008 14:34:40 GMT
It would sound like Atari Teenage Riot. Or worse. Is "worse" humanly possible?
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Post by Joe Chip on Jun 19, 2008 21:19:46 GMT
It would sound like Atari Teenage Riot. Or worse. Is "worse" humanly possible? I can't listen to their records but on their final tour (when Carl Crack stayed at home after having a breakdown on the plane before takeoff) the Manchester show in front of a crowd of young metallers was incredible - long and harsh noise sections but through giant r'n'r marshall stacks rather than the usual 'one amp in upstairs room of pub' scenario - Empire and Elias visibly losing it, stagediving and pouring beer over each other - long excruciatingly painful political rants which were completely naive but obviously heartfelt - as a fan of cringeworthy and non-'cool' music this took pride of place alongside the early Manics - also, the very loudest show I have EVER been to. Saw Alec Empire solo at a festival a couple of years later though and it was really lame sub-Laibach stuff... WH using breakbeats etc sounds an awful idea to me.
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Post by margaras on Jun 19, 2008 22:14:41 GMT
overdriven kickdrums and breakbeats, gabba/jungle/breakcore style? horrible idea, i must say. as much as i do enjoy electronic dance music (including a handfull of gabba and breakcore) in the right circumstances, it generally suffers from the fact that it dates remarkably quickly, and also that it is inherently a formulaic form of music, even in its more extreme forms. also, one of the things that i find intensely irritating in dance and rock music is the reliance on the endless 4/4 kick drum + snare beat. i really hate it, and sadly there is comparatively little western dance music that works outside it. fundamentally, however, the purpose of dance music is to, well, dance to. it's intent is physical and hedonistic in an ephemeral sense. the function - while physical and hedonistic in its own unique way (a highly personal experience for the individual, rather than the social aspects intrinsic to electronic dance musics) - of whitehouse is rather different. one of the aspects of whitehouse that most interests me, over the last several releases, has been the use of rhythm and acoustic instruments in a manner of performance and individuality of processing that is not at all similar to what any other musicians at the moment are doing. the only contemporary music that shares the use of traditional "folk" (for want of a better word) acoustic instruments via digital sculpting and has a unique spirit of individuality - thus and perhaps seemingly paradoxically totally unlike the work of whitehouse in aesthetic terms - is the late work of coil. i can't think of anyone else who are using a unique blend of acoustic source and electronic processing.
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Post by deadcityradio on Jun 21, 2008 14:23:59 GMT
ATRs noise album 'live at brixton academy is awful imo but i thought alec empire collaboration with merzbow was really good. overdriven kickdrums and breakbeats, gabba/jungle/breakcore style? fundamentally, however, the purpose of dance music is to, well, dance to. . obviously, but there is alot of music that takes an element from dance music and makes it non dance music. breakcore and IDM like Aphex Twin or Venetian Snares would be very hard to dance to and that is not what it is made for. A review of Racket in the wire actually compared the drumming to IDM. ATR also elements from dance music but there music was not designed to dance to, the kickdrum or breakbeat is more used a a 'bludgeoning force' to quote william bennett on why he started making PE in the first place. Some artists- Vankmen or Venetian Snares collaboration with Speedranch mix noise and 'dance' beats in a very interesting way not at all like the power noise/rhythmic noise genre (winterkalte etc) Though having said that there is a band called pure (very unoriginal name for a PE band cos im not talking about that sunroof/total guys band, its the sideprohect of some awful band called genocide lolita) did an album called pure abuse which mixed rhythmic noise with lots of feedback and PE type vocals and it sounds pretty interesting/cool.
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Post by deadcityradio on Jun 21, 2008 14:30:28 GMT
overdriven kickdrums and breakbeats, gabba/jungle/breakcore style? i can't think of anyone else who are using a unique blend of acoustic source and electronic processing. Yes this is one thing that i liked about recent whitehouse. While I can't think of anyone offhand either I'm sure this statement is not true. Not djembes/african instruments, but experimenting with acoustic instruments with technology is certainly being done by others.
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Post by 350125 on Jul 4, 2008 1:49:48 GMT
ATRs noise album 'live at brixton academy is awful imo but i thought alec empire collaboration with merzbow was really good. fundamentally, however, the purpose of dance music is to, well, dance to. . obviously, but there is alot of music that takes an element from dance music and makes it non dance music. breakcore and IDM like Aphex Twin or Venetian Snares would be very hard to dance to and that is not what it is made for. A review of Racket in the wire actually compared the drumming to IDM. ATR also elements from dance music but there music was not designed to dance to, the kickdrum or breakbeat is more used a a 'bludgeoning force' to quote william bennett on why he started making PE in the first place. Some artists- Vankmen or Venetian Snares collaboration with Speedranch mix noise and 'dance' beats in a very interesting way not at all like the power noise/rhythmic noise genre (winterkalte etc) Though having said that there is a band called pure (very unoriginal name for a PE band cos im not talking about that sunroof/total guys band, its the sideprohect of some awful band called genocide lolita) did an album called pure abuse which mixed rhythmic noise with lots of feedback and PE type vocals and it sounds pretty interesting/cool. aphex twin is overrated and venetian snares are terrible from what i've heard
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Post by gzutt on May 29, 2009 11:22:17 GMT
I don't mind hardcore techno sort of stuff, but Whitehouse incorporating those elements would be like dipping chocolate in guacamole.
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Post by blackacrylic on May 29, 2009 11:34:28 GMT
Whitehouse can be danceable in the right context. Surgeon has been known to include WH in his sets, very effectively imo
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Post by knuckles on Jun 7, 2009 16:03:54 GMT
How about some tribal rhythms over 4'33" too?
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Post by ottom on Jun 15, 2009 23:59:22 GMT
It would sound like Atari Teenage Riot. Or worse. Ha ha! Huge fan of Alec Empire/DHR label here. Fuck me! They're the reason why I started collecting vinyl. So what DO you think is worse than ATR? To each his own I guess ;D I own both the Brixton and the Alec Empire/Merzbow albums. The Brixton performance...somehow I couldn't get into it. The back story to it is great, though. Possibly it'd be something you'd have to witness to get the full effect of. The Empire/Merzbow release is absolutely great. I really do think that both sides performed the end of the world as best as they could and in one take. From start to the culmination of total destruction of the last 15-20 minutes is just amazing.
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