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Post by blackacrylic on Feb 16, 2008 20:59:58 GMT
And for fuck's sake, 30 pages on the song "Persuasion?" That chapter's the most interesting one, though! Especially from a 'Whitehouse" perspective. Sleazy's use of taped material is quite similiar to the Sotos audio collages. Not the same, but still a useful point of comparison.
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Post by robf on Feb 21, 2008 14:36:38 GMT
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Post by dwb on Feb 23, 2008 1:48:23 GMT
blackacrylic, I got that same book on TG just a few days ago. I kind of wish they had done it for "DOA" or "Second Annual Report," but oh well. Still very fascinating. Though it seems that Gen still can't resist bashing Whitehouse and Come Org. And for fuck's sake, 30 pages on the song "Persuasion?" Are these new interviews in the book? Gen says one thing about whitehouse in Wreckers..he also mentions spk. One little sentence in the whole book, I think he says he always despised them or something..I'll look it up. Today Industrial still exists as a vital scene. Some bands even continue your information-war, which you declared (on) society. How do you comment today's activities?Pretty much EVERYONE who pertains to be 'Industrial' has completely missed the point and take the term 'Industrial' far too literally. For us in the 70s'-80s' it was a way of life, a certain mindset and attitude of non-conformity. We were anti-facists, anti-communist, anti-music industry and anti-government. We still are. Industrial Music as a genre has become a Frankenstein's monster and bears no relationship to what we started in the 1970s'. It has become just another metal bashing sub-genre of goth, punk and rock. -Chris Carter www.ikonenmagazin.de/interview/TG.htm. Looks like Chris agrees with Genesis.
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Post by dwb on Feb 23, 2008 1:49:47 GMT
Anyway books, reading Stephen King's Lisey's story, its too long. I'm getting bored, past 350 pages and another 300 or so to go.
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Post by margaras on Feb 23, 2008 19:21:22 GMT
sounds like carter is referring more to the likes of nine inch nails and ministry, who are most commonly called "industrial" these days i.e. metal rock with techno synths and a goth image. dreadful stuff altogether, though porridge was a member of the abysmal pigface who exemplified the worst of the already dire american mid-90s so-called "industrial" music.
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Post by dwb on Feb 24, 2008 0:25:13 GMT
In the wire interview it seemed that they were referring to the industrial scene as most of us know it Not gothic club dance music or heavy metal...I checked skinny puppy out a while ago, it was horrible!!!!!!! When I was reading it, I definitely read it as they were talking about p.e/death industrial etc. Also in wreckers, Gen mentions the industrial followers are usually male, dress all in black and put all their music on cassette, which is basically feedback.
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Post by sypha666 on Mar 22, 2008 5:56:35 GMT
I'll be honest, I'm actually a big fan of all those groups like NIN and Ministry, though I'm well aware that they have very little to do with classic "industrial."
Just got Dennis Cooper's new poetry collection "The Weaklings" in the mail today, can't wait to read it over the weekend.
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Post by knuckles on Mar 26, 2008 13:57:10 GMT
Ministry have put out some wonderful tracks!!
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Post by unk on Mar 26, 2008 20:31:44 GMT
TIGER FORCE: A True Story of Men and War by Michael Sallah and Mitch Weiss.
An out-of-fucking-control army recon team in Viet Nam. Ear necklaces and all that shit. None of them ever did time. Horrible first hand accounts of the atrocities.
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Post by blackacrylic on Apr 6, 2008 15:00:37 GMT
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Post by dat500 on May 13, 2008 14:01:55 GMT
I've just pre-ordered the new Peter Sotos book, 'Lordotics'
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Post by theotherjohn on May 13, 2008 16:51:59 GMT
I've just pre-ordered the new Peter Sotos book, 'Lordotics'Need money for this! Just hope the hardback binding is okay this time - sigh, I miss Void Books...
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Post by sypha666 on May 13, 2008 17:04:59 GMT
So, new Sotos... just pre-ordered it, though I still have yet to read "Show Adult."
I used to be a very prolific reader, but that kind of changed when I started working at Barnes & Noble in 2004. After working with books all day, I found that upon arriving home from work the last thing I would usually want to do was look at another book. Sadly, I was buying more and more books at the time, taking advantage of my employee discount as it were. Last year in particular I barely read any books at all, with the exception of some Nietzsche, Rand's "The Fountainhead", and so forth. So I resolved in 2008 to slough off my reading inertia and try to read at least 50 books, mainly focusing on books that I've had on my shelf for awhile now yet never got around to. I also resolved that each year from now on I'll pick an author whose work I've been wanting to read for awhile now yet kept putting off, and read as many of their books as I could. This year, I decided the author would be Thomas Pynchon. Anyway, it's been five months and I've already reached the halfway point of my goal, though I haven't read all that much Pynchon (yet). Here's what I've read thus far:
1. "The City and the Pillar" (Gore Vidal) (finished Jan. 3) 2. "Sway" (Zachary Lazar) (finished Jan. 9) 3. "Paradoxia" (Lydia Lunch) (finished Jan. 12) 4. "Eden Eden Eden" (Pierre Guyotat) (finished Jan. 23) 5. "Jack the Modernist" (Robert Gluck) (finished Jan. 25) 6. "The Maimed" (Hermann Ungar) (finished Jan. 25) 7. "The Stranger" (Albert Camus) (finished Jan. 26) 8. "Less Than Zero" (Bret Easton Ellis) (finished Jan. 30) * 9. "The Torture Garden" (Octave Mirbeau) (finished Jan. 31) 10. "Zombie" (Joyce Carol Oates) (finished Jan. 31) 11. "The Atrocity Exhibition" (J.G. Ballard) (finished Feb. 7) 12. "Play it as it Lays" (Joan Didion) (finished Feb. 10) 13. "The Blind Owl" (Sadegh Hedayat) (finished Feb. 10) 14. "La-Bas" (J.K. Huysmans) (finished Feb. 15) * 15. "Against Nature" (J.K. Huysmans) (finished Feb. 22) 16. "Moravagine" (Blaise Cendrars) (finished Feb. 29) 17. "Briefing for a Descent Into Hell" (Doris Lessing) (March 14) 18. "In a Glass Darkly" (Sheridan Le Fanu) (finished March 18) 19. "The Weaklings" (Dennis Cooper) (finished March 22) 20. "The Mage's Holiday" (Tom Champagne) (April) 21. "Invisible Cities" (Italo Calvino) (finished April 9) 22. "Exercises in Style" (Raymond Queneau) (finished April 17) 23. "The Wild Boys" (William S. Burroughs) (finished April 21) * 24. "Downstream" (J.K. Huysmans) (finished April 21) 25. "The Crying of Lot 49" (Thomas Pynchon) (finished April 27) 26. "The End of the World Book" (Alistar McCartney) (finished May 1) 27. "Foucault's Pendulum" (Umberto Eco) (finished May 8) 28. "Us Ones in Between" (Blair Mastbaum) (finished May 10)
* = book I've read at least once in the past
(I should add here that I usually read more than one book at the same time, hence why there are a few days where I finished reading two books on that day)
Right now I'm reading Donna Tartt's "The Secret History". I think next month I'm going to give "Gravity's Rainbow" a crack.
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Post by margaras on May 13, 2008 18:06:25 GMT
hmm, in two minds as to buy this or not.
i thought "predicate" and "show adult" were really weak, and mainly boring. i do think "comfort and critique" was a masterpiece, though "selfish little" and "tick" come very close also.
the photography and film script aspects sound promising, as those concerns made for some of his strongest moments in previous works, but the "revisiting previous writings" and "glory hole culture" remarks in that blurb make me hesitate. maybe it's just me, but i find the glory hole / booth stuff in his books since "lazy" to be totally uninteresting. "predicate" definately suffered as a work by over-mining this terrain.
and why did they use such a shitty (pun unintended) image on that page? it may seem like a small thing, but given the hefty price tags and insuffient binding in "show adult" and all the typos in "proxy" it is relevant to some extent.
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Post by theotherjohn on May 13, 2008 19:32:34 GMT
I can only hope that it's a mistake and that it won't be printed like that (though Show Adult had some bad .jpg artefacting on the cover too).
I've picked up my copy of Show Adult again and the binding isn't as bad as I remember it being. I mean, it's held together well enough I guess, but it feels strange that it's hardbound for its size. The cover was a rush job though (and the price was made up by the inclusion of Waitress). Wish I knew the page count for Lordotics so it could justify the asking price, although saying that I'll still buy it eventually.
I miss the paperbacks - I notice Amazon used to have Show Adult available for sale in paperback at some point but now seem to be unavailable - due to boycotting from the Masha Allen brigade perhaps?...
Meh, I'll save the discussions and conspiracy theories for the yahoo group.
Last book I really enjoyed was Film Art Phenomena by Nicky Hamlyn. Currently tackling Experimental Cinema in the Digital Age by Malcolm Le Grice, along with half a dozen other books relating to experimental filmmaking borrowed from my uni library. Good reading!
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