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Post by Joe Chip on Nov 27, 2005 10:48:53 GMT
I quite enjoy this censorship...it's funny!
Glad "Cows" by Matthew Stokoe was mentioned - really horrifying, but sorta hilarious too...a difficult job for a writer to straddle that divide.
A writer whose levels of misanthropy and disgust are hard to surpass was Louis Ferdinand Celine. Start with 'Journey To The End of The Night', now over seventy years old but as relevant as ever.
A crime novelist whose sheer griminess takes him into WH territory is David Peace. His '1974'/'1977'/'1980'/1983' quartet was obviously inspired by James Ellroy but diverges into experimental writing, with TG and Joy Division references clearly present and a claustrophobic, mentally diseased atmosphere throughout this truly unpleasant series.
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Post by theotherjohn on Nov 27, 2005 21:31:32 GMT
I loved Cows. Hilariously sickening stuff.
"The Dice Man" by Luke Rhinehart is a magnificent novel, I remember Bennett raving about it in an interview some time ago. It's remarkably popular/well known but it still has its fair share of chaotic seedy moments which is of value here. I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention "A Clockwork Orange" too - the novel or the film (the novel is much more preferable of course).
I'm treading on already charted grounds here I know, but it wouldn't hurt to mention some undisputed classics..
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Post by dmcclain on Nov 27, 2005 21:33:46 GMT
oh man, COWS was AWFUL. seriously one of the lamest, stupides books i've ever read. EDEN, EDEN, EDEN was pretty decent, very repetitive though. i'd recommend michel houellebecq.
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Post by dmcclain on Nov 27, 2005 21:34:09 GMT
"stupidest" books, that is. me stupid typer.
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Post by Joe Chip on Nov 28, 2005 15:01:59 GMT
Houllebecq's thoughts on Lovecraft were interesting, but I've found his general style and preoccupations curiously dated - I think 'Cows' is a more stimulating book than 'Atomised' on almost every level. Diff'rent strokes...
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Post by ljp on Nov 28, 2005 20:36:51 GMT
< Still got to <get around to reading "Our Lady Of The <Flowers". Is this the best book to start with or <should I try something else? I'd recommend Funeral Rites. <Peter Sotos is fantastic, anyone manage to grab <Predicate from Creation Books while it had the <Waitress supplement? My review of Predicate is here: www.spaghettiman.blogspot.com
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Post by ljp on Nov 28, 2005 20:40:52 GMT
oh man, COWS was AWFUL. seriously one of the lamest, stupides books i've ever read. EDEN, EDEN, EDEN was pretty decent, very repetitive though. i'd recommend michel houellebecq. What was Cows about? Gernsey Cows?
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Post by adam on Nov 28, 2005 23:29:19 GMT
cows is about a guy who works in a cow slaughterhouse, lives at home with his batshit insane controlling mother. there are also talking cows. has anyone read stokoe's other book 'high life'? anygood? oh and while we're on the subject of stokoe, apparently he's written the script for a film called 'dog'. www.dollysdog.com/ , there's a trailer there too.
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Post by graeme on Nov 30, 2005 10:29:41 GMT
Still got to get around to reading "Our Lady Of The Flowers". Is this the best book to start with or should I try something else? It's a good one to start with. Try The Thief's Journal by Genet as well. Has anyone read any Pierre Guyotat?
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Post by graeme on Nov 30, 2005 10:30:35 GMT
Ah, I see someone already mentioned Guyotat here.
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Post by borderland on Dec 7, 2005 14:55:12 GMT
moravagine by blaise cendrars
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Post by scottlaw on Jan 5, 2006 8:22:08 GMT
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Post by ljp on Jan 6, 2006 4:44:23 GMT
Just ordered Hogg. Sounds very Sotos-like for something written in the late 60s... Hope it lives up to expectations and isn't just slumming around. My mother might have read some of Delaney's sci-fi stuff, but I don't think she'd like this much.
Well I saw the TV film adaption of Bad Ronald in the 70s, so the book is supposed to be more extreme? The film was pretty disturbing in itself although I actually felt bad for 'bad' Ronald -- he seemed so tormented. Oh, I got Last House On The Left DVD at Media Play before they closed down. I was prompted to see the rest -- only saw the beginning earlier but wasn't feeling well... Anyways it makes House On Dead End Street look like Sesame Street! And seeing the extra commentary it was good to know that was inspired by an old Norwegian fairy tale. I can see the similarity with the old European folk tales, with their unpleasant truths and realistic parables. You don't see that today where entertainment is largely escapist and what social commentary there is being wafer-thin at best...
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Post by istvan on Jan 6, 2006 16:46:02 GMT
Oh, I got Last House On The Left DVD at Media Play before they closed down. I was prompted to see the rest -- only saw the beginning earlier but wasn't feeling well... Anyways it makes House On Dead End Street look like Sesame Street! And seeing the extra commentary it was good to know that was inspired by an old Norwegian fairy tale. I can see the similarity with the old European folk tales, with their unpleasant truths and realistic parables. You don't see that today where entertainment is largely escapist and what social commentary there is being wafer-thin at best... it's really hilarious how different the ACTUAL brothers grimm fairy tales are compared to the watered down shit that they translate it to in order to sell it to families. scandanavian fairytales are particularly brutal and depressing. EVERYONE dies...or gets eaten. last house on the left is EASILY wes craven's craziest movie. i was blown away the first time i saw it by the sheer brutality at the end of the film. the chainsaw? the pond scene with the wife? not to mention that rape scene in the woods. wes craven was on some scary shit when he wrote that movie. the movie also reminded me of straw dogs by sam peckinpah. now that's another brutal as hell movie, made all the more crazier by how seemingly boring and "english" it is until the finale. talk about an elaborate use of a bear trap!
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Post by djgyn on Jan 6, 2006 22:22:03 GMT
Just ordered Hogg. Sounds very Sotos-like for something written in the late 60s... Hope it lives up to expectations and isn't just slumming around. My mother might have read some of Delaney's sci-fi stuff, but I don't think she'd like this much Feel free to let us know if its worth buying!
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